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H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.21 08:54:00 - [1] Originally by: Kanya Nague Originally by: Bizzaro0 You know what they call a Quarter Pounder with cheese in France? They dont call it Quarter Pounder with cheese? No - they call it Hamburger 'Royal'. And do you know why? My opinion is purely personal and not related to my alliance
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.21 09:02:00 - [2] ...and a word to the OP. You should not shoot other players stealing your loot if you are not sure that you can kill them reliably. PVE fittings die to PVP fittings. The guy visiting you in that mission deadspace will be pvp fitted. My opinion is purely personal and not related to my alliance
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.21 15:49:00 - [3] People should forget about teaching hisec pirates how to play in a 'honorful way'. I also shared this misconception for some time, but finally I recognized that such attempts are entirely futile. I gotta agree with Sol that there are two different target audiences in Eve that will hardly ever mix - hisec dwellers and those who like to venture into lawless space. For us in losec it's almost mandatory to honor a ransom because the people we target are better informed as they are cooperating more with others and a higher percentage reads the Eve-o forums. That being said - if The Guristas Associates ransom you, we will stick to our word and let you go. However, we do not automatically feel obliged to ransom everyone foolish enough to get caught. If time and situation permit we always appreciate financial compensation for our efforts, if it does not we are also happy about loot and corpse. Now enjoy the game we like to play so much and accept the (virtual) reality of dishonored ransoms in hisec...
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.21 16:18:00 - [4] Originally by: Normin Bates Word of bad experiences spreads like fire while good experiences are almost unheard of. Most often it only takes one bad experience to set the standard response for most people. Thus: 1. Player gets ransomed. (high-sec, low-sec, where ever) 2. Ransom is not honored. 3. Player vows never to pay another ransom. 4. Player tells everyone he knows or encounters about ransoms. 5. Player gets ransomed again by "honorable" pirates who will honor ransom. 6. Player remembers past experience and decides to cut his losses. 7. Player tells pirates to hurry up and pop his pod so he can get back to playing because he knows they won't honor the ransom. 8. Pirates wonder why ransoms work less and less. Look m8, you (supposedly) honor ransoms as do I and it's fine! Sol and others (in my experience mostly hisec pirates) do not. How will you force them to change their mind? Pay a mercenary corp to hunt them down and kill them for your precious ISK? Rat up your -10 sec status to wardec & gank them yourself? You can do everything in game that you believe will be successful to change things, but here on the forum it's a waste of your time and energy to try. It's like telling the guys playing the market that they should go pvp or telling us pirates we should stop ransoming and killing people - we'll tell them to get over it as this is the way we chose to play the game that we pay our money for.
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.21 16:38:00 - [5] Edited by: H Lecter on 21/01/2009 16:40:45 Originally by: M'ing Pai I would just like to go on the record that I have never dishonored a ransom, in high or lowsec. It's even against our corp charter. Highsec pirate-types aren't all without sense. You're the first ones (hisec pirates honoring ransoms) I ever heard of - but as posted before, good news do not spread out the same way like bad ones. Thumbs up! P.S.: Rofl @ Insult-o-matic
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.21 18:15:00 - [6] Originally by: John Cogan Ok Might be nieve of me to say this but maybe simply through discussion on the boards a soon to be future pirate will read this and decide to be an honorable one. Then again maybe not but if changes the thinking of a few people then all is good i say. Go ahead and try - I have seen too many discussions without any change of viewpoints to believe in it. Personally I started reading C&P after I had become a pirate and it did not have any effect on the way I play the game. I prefer honor, being aware that I will not make as much ISK as the ones who don't. But if I was after ISK I would simply run missions. - What a terrible thought A friend of mine who does not play Eve but knows a lot about it from our conversations once said if he was playing he would be the most honorless person in the universe - not because he is an a$$hole in rl, but just because he can. It's a sandbox - if people were forced to have honor I guarantee you that Eve would be long gone already . It's a question of diversity - Eve needs all types of players. I appreciate the carebears that I kill just as much as the merc that managed to kill me or that guy who dishonored a ransom. It's the way to become part of a living, breathing world that offers all moral choices that rl has to offer. Sinner or a saint or in between where you get million shades of grey - be what you want because it is your money you pay to play.
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.22 08:44:00 - [7] Originally by: Le Poupon Last time i honored a ransom the damn kid had seen my face and told the cops. I love lawyers and technicalities though. Next time when the parents pay up i just kill the damn thing and mail it - in game. fixed it for you. Originally by: Hallan Turrek I've found profit in piracy while honoring ransoms. Those that say people who don't honor them are causing those of us that do to lose income are dead wrong. The point of honoring ransoms is not the income. It's personal honor. High security or not, it's the same. One can point out that it's just a game, and that they don't have to play by the same rules as they would in real life. That's a perfectly valid opinion, it's just not how I play. Eve is part of my life, however a small part. Just like everything I do is part of my life. I go through life following a very specific set of rules. The piracy bit, that's part of the game. The payment bit, that's part of the game. When I am talking to someone to negotiate a ransom, it's me talking, not my charactor. In real life, I wouldn't steal something even if I knew I'd never get in trouble for it. It would be dishonest. So I choose to be honest. I fully agree - it's quite the same for me. However, I stopped trying to teach people how to play. There was a discussion of the same kind a long time ago and I became upset about Sol's argumentation. When thinking about it again I felt a bit stupid going emotional over a computer game. 'In character' I hate the dishonest s****that is giving us honorable losec pies a bad reputation. Out of character like here on the forums I am losing the excitement about it.
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.22 13:02:00 - [8] Originally by: Exlegion Wow. I'm a mission runner. And this information is definitely good to know. I had no idea so many pirates were so inclined in not honoring their ransoms. This thread should be stickied. As long as Veto. doesn't give in to this ideology they're so far the only ones I'd pay a ransom to. And it really wasn't a good idea for some of you to openly admit you don't honor ransoms . Rest assured mission runners of New Eden - The Guristas Associates will not dishonor a ransom. If you are scammed for a ransom by TGA please contact me in game. Such offence will not be tolerated and swift action will be taken against the offender.
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.01.22 13:40:00 - [9] Originally by: Sol'Kanar I remember that, and now I'm torn. It's nice that you've changed your position on things, but it's also crappy that you aren't going emo on me. My inner troll is a little bummed. Sorry to hear But you know after reading C&P almost a year I cannot be upset easily anymore. You really have to try harder m8

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